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good morning everyone I thought that I

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would begin by saying a little about the

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the new Founders Award and I will read

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the the terms of reference as approved

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by the council

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the Founders Award the founders lecture

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was established by a society for sanity

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exploration in the name of those whose

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vision and energy has led by now to more

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than three decades of highly successful

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meetings publications and other ventures

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this lecture is intended to recognize

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outstanding contributions to the

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furtherance of the aims of the society

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and now compared with the Dinsdale

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whereas the Society's Dinsdale award

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honors specifically intellectual and

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research achievements the founders

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lecture didn't alternate years mag

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knowledge also the vital contributions

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that can be made by building bridges to

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mainstream researchers audiences and

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media either individually or through

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institutional or public activities well

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Bob John had a life before sse before he

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was in the gleam in his eye starting in

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1962

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bob was professor of mechanical and

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aerospace engineering at princeton

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university and he founded the electric

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propulsion and plasma dynamics

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laboratory they are bob served as dean

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of the School of Engineering and Applied

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Science from 1971 to 1986 with Brenda

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down another long term officer Bob

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founded the Princeton Engineering

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anomaly's Research Laboratory otherwise

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known as the pair lamp in 1979 it

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continued until 200 728 years of

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excellent research bob is now chairman

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of the board of the International

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consciousness research laboratories IC

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RL now I want to say how I met Bob I was

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professor working in plasma physics of

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Stanford 30 years ago and there would be

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seminars given once or twice a week and

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the mechanical engineering department

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there would have a regular weekly

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seminar and there are one or two given

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by a visiting scholar named Robert John

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however in March of 1978 as astonished

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to read that he planned to present of

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seminar with the following title psychic

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processes energy transfer and things

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that go bump in the night that got my

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attention and that was my introduction

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to Bob Jong he was doing doing good work

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on psychic phenomena even then he was

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doing a research psychic that science

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journals would not publish that ring a

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bell for me I was doing research on UFOs

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and similar topics that SAS journals

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would not publish so we found we had a

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common problem which we discussed

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extensively and what to do about it

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obviously we needed a journal and the

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question was how do cyber geologies a

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one-man-band a committee and we decided

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the only the best way was have a society

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and leave it the society to organize the

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journal which happened in all in due

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course well bob has served on the

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council as a we've heard for almost the

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entire life timers

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first the council then for 20 years as

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vice president so it's a pleasure and

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honor to present the first Founders

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Award to our long-term member officer

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mentor and friend Bob John

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thank you everything

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yeah good yeah

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well here we are yet again and I can't

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tell you how pleased I am to be at this

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position one more time I'm sure many of

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you there's a suffered through the

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variety of presentations from our pear

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group and subsequent organizations we

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have spoken with you primarily about our

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research and properly so we have given a

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number of papers on our human machine

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anomaly is a new research both a

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empirical aspects thereof and that

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theoretical and then I think along

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aspects thereof but we have also

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presented a variety of talks by our

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students and in turn directly destroyed

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the our work and had the benefit of good

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comments and helpful suggestions

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from Europe but most to me recall is the

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sequence of presentations of my dearest

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colleague Miranda had done in a number

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of occasions

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it's charm that is always our remarkable

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treatments of remote perception research

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and I need to make it clear at the

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outset that this is every bit as much a

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joint presentation from the two of us as

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it is me cluttering up and they knew our

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Ostrom I will invoke a number of

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metaphors this chapter was forward as

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many of you are aware Brendan and I are

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great opera fans and one of her favorite

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operas one of the major works

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required vogner it is called well

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integrate two rather fantastic tale

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drawn from early times about a noble

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knight of the mystical realm who is sent

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to save the reputation and indeed the

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life of a young lady who has been

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falsely accused - I am oh I don't want a

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character her name is Elsa and

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malevolent the character's name is or

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truth and art food does her worst to

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impoverish the reputation of Elsa but to

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the rescue come

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the night of the mystical realm named

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who other than his name at the start is

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simply not recognized by the body of

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other players he does however arrive in

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a remarkable fashion namely riding on a

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huge white swan who sings on to the

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stage and allows that a shiny night to

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deal with a situation and the only

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constraint that the knight imposes alone

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a neon to arise and in particular also

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as I said where Alice he is perfectly

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willing to take her as a wife as part of

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the payment observance for there is a

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rather substantial benefit but he cannot

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be challenged as to his name or as to

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his associations beyond back this gives

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or Trude the heavy on that story the

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opportunity to finagle temptation into

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Alice's situation until she finally

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breaks down and asks how this to be

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husband expects her to tolerate not

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knowing what his name is or what is role

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and he is reluctantly forced to reveal

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his personality after which there's a

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swan mysteriously disappears and he

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sails off on the back there of never to

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be seen here again now what is relevant

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here is a I have noticed one and B I

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wouldn't ride on one if I had to London

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and but nonetheless this whole episode

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is culminated in what has come to be

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known as as a swan song namely his last

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presentation to the organization

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coming to the point finally I am giving

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you here and my version of a swan song I

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compliment you on your help through the

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years and my thanks for all you have

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done for me that lengthy introduction

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what is his landlords thought I'm sure

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it's the first question we have to deal

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with I was pleased and honored to be

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offered this opportunity to deliver the

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first one swan song the first founders

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lecture but left the me with a few

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questions when it says this is to be the

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last lecturer of everybody who enjoys

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the opportunity later on was it to be an

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honorific thing was it to be an

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what is foundries or action turned out

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no one else seemed to tell either

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including the person who coined the term

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and then appropriated the event so what

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does that any good society do when it's

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confronted with the problem and they

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distort it appoints a committee and only

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it had a committee that attempted to

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determine what the founders actually

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promoted I think it is fair to say it

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so that means the de troyes sort of in

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me and I will have to do something with

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it at least for the day this occasion

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first thing I have to do is get my notes

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in order

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my guess is what they'll had in mind

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although he can correct me if he leases

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it that it was going to be sort of a

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smorgasbord an opportunity to talk a

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little bit of history a little better

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than the principles of society a little

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bit other than that the status as a

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society it success to date its failures

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to date and a little bit of anything

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else must be thorough on it

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that's whirlwind that's alright I can

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play by those rules I don't have to do

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much about history because we have a

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fine instead of bylaws we have a fine

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set of other guidelines in the society a

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charter a constitution or a well

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equipped with the boiler point and I'm

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presuming that you've all studied in

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great depth those documents we also have

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a clear set of boundaries and one can

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name them label lemon duck talk a bit

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about their history

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you met the primary founder all ready

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and the neat

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before the incomparable Peter stoic as

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is its name and its style all over this

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organization and my mind there are

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actually no reason contests that the

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organization was conceived and founded

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and indeed survivors well as editors

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state because of the Peter and it's

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world but there were others you know

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most of them a lot of of them have

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served our officers incomparable of

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Henry Bowers is going to speak better

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than I when I get to and rambling on

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we're going to have reference to Larry

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Frederick who was started with for many

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years as Secretary of the organization

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some have gone on Ian Stevenson has done

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and really established the work life

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today at the University of Virginia but

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we have had many others unfortunately

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there have been a lot of dropouts of the

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founders of the society many of the

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founders in the beginning were

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understandably drawn from the

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Astrophysical astronomical domain a lot

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of them at Cornell you would have you

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have heard as many of those Tommy gold

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we have had a like some of about Carl

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Sagan many who have just become

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disinterested pretty much and what we do

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and they are a part of our history but

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unfortunately there's been other more

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destructive participants drawn from the

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critical communities you all quite a

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while Melissa to them I'm not even going

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to distinguish them by name with the

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exception of mentioning March all of

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truth see who in the early days so it's

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really one of the most supportive and

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creative scholars the work of this

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organization I'm also not gonna read

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unless someone really demands it

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the Charter or the bylaws and the

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constitution of that society if you have

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it available here I think there are

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copies around you can read so we'll pass

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by that what what you really need to get

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to is what has society become what has

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we have heard already from Bill about

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this connection to business and it has

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been a topic that has prepossessed

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Brenda and myself from the beginning the

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importance of making the connections the

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importance of one arena of anomalies

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interest raising in the understanding of

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another I guess citizens as a good a

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time as any to see this cartoon can you

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forget this up this is a rather famous

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one that I disappeared

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all right here is us chapter the first

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part of the puzzle is just be musing how

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the pieces of the issue sit together

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Lisa got a veritable do you this is all

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possible of strange stuff that needs to

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be dealt with and thus only he sets to

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work putting pieces together making

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connections and he keeps going through

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various phases of this finally arriving

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down here and the fifth or sixth

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with what he thinks is an accomplishment

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of completion of this intellectual

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puzzle when two is bemusement on the

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horizon appear a batch from other pieces

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of puzzles with other investigators

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standing bemused upon them now drifting

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toward him and this I think was our

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image from the beginning that everyone

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would bring to bear their interest what

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they may have been localized in a

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particular category of anomaly but they

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were going to draw a great in this light

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great accomplishment

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only when they began to relate the other

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people who are working in anomalistic

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phenomena this is why we combine UFO

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people with psychokinetic people with

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the remote perception people with bio

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physical anomalies people not to have a

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breath for its own sake but have the

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opportunity to benefit from the

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interactions and the benefit to

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understand what the work and UFOs can

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add

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inform the work of the others and I

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still will maintain that that's the most

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important part of the work of the

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society not that it just collects a lot

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of people carrying on in their own

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particular context but people that can

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help and connect with others from the

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the point was understood very well by

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the editors of this Journal of science

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and healing which you might or know

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called explore and on an occasion not

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too far in the past they took us entire

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special issue and addressed it to and I

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quote the pertinence of the Princeton

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engineering anomalies research para

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laboratory the pursuit of global health

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global health how much of that is going

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on in this research organization some of

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the most receptive audience citizens we

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have had have been organizations closely

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tied to health and to global health in

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particular who are able to see of their

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own experiences with the anomalies of

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health practice

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the relevant aside while we were doing

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this was connections

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I believe that a forum we wanted to have

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it I hope that we will continue to take

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seriously the keynote that bill has

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established for this meaning the

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pertinent what a is doing to what to be

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that it's doing know what the sea is

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doing in this society is contacts that

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we learn from each other although with

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the feel of the start are quite

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getting back to the point my conclusion

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and I'm in full support of that motif

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and I'm not sure we're quite ready to it

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we can have meetings we can have

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connections but do we have the science

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do we have the intellectual attitude

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that permits us to benefit from these

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connections do we need a connection and

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science or a connection physics is

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anybody possibly it's a lot about that I

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remember early in the days of my

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deanship in Princeton many areas ago we

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had a very distinguished member of the

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Bell Telephone laboratories

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I will not mention his name in this

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conduct but come to talk about that and

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this was early on talk about these

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interactions and the importance of

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having systems work system the

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scholarship in the academic context it's

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all very well we'll have these cathedral

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towers of citizen of chemistry and

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mechanical engineering name what you

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will for suing it at a great rate for

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their own estate but what was missing

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was the ability to talk to one another

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not just three aware but the ability

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dates to talk to do systems engineering

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make sure with what you know all what is

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to become but the system of science and

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the systems engineering I remember

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arguing with a bill about this it was a

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little bacon right as I'm sure you'll

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understand to say look you can't have

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systems engineering until you have a

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system of science you have to have the

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mechanics you may have to have a the

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vocabulary you have to have the an

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assortment of experience to do systems

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engineering I by having a system and

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science what is the science of

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connections that I think would be the

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next a noble question not the we just

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talk but that we do

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we have tried our own quiet way to deal

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with as we have had our entrance efforts

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we have written about our results we

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have written about our deductions we

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have written about all of the

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metaphysical implications but this

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though it wasn't over further than the

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guy who picks up the paper and reads it

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where we have I think have benefitted

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the most is having people like

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yourselves visit our laboratory sit on

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our couches and talk and understand the

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connections understand that what you

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just found that is strange to you as an

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anomalous fact is very metaphorically

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akin then what we do and we benefit from

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the valerio commonalities we benefit

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from the results that appear in

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different labels you know are disparate

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programs I am rambling a little bit my

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time do you have a okay fine I will

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finish one time but what's missing

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bill and his people have been bugging me

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of her a few days for her title for this

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thing Miami my response so I was making

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what he will I've talked about a lot of

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stuff but if I had to pick a title I

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would have recited

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something that a married from the

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connections but from the connections

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it's business what are we doing wrong

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we've done a lot of things right we've

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got a lot of people here and it's a

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meeting but what have we not done very

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well I think you need only to look

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around this room to tell we're not doing

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well that is we are not preparing the

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next generation well we are not getting

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the succession done right who are the

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next generation of founders going to be

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Peter he was going to retire if he

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hasn't already barb is retiring

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Brenna's is retiring the old guard is

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passing by in marine view

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where are they young people where are

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these people that have the new ideas

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these are not people that require simply

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replication our old founders work we

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need the new ideas we need the

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implications transferred from the old

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founders to the new founders and to get

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on with that and we're not doing that

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well why where is the educational system

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to undergird it where can young people

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go to learn what the old people learn

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and put different labels on it or is

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this going to be done in a

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Pablo gets gorilla system no I don't

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think so is it gonna be done in our

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churches and synagogues and religious

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organization anything there I'm hearing

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that's going to read revive the

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fundamental conceptual education for the

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young people Brenda didn't see this she

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has tried valiantly to raise up the

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grassroots raise up the new people the

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new founders hasn't worked hasn't worked

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with the dawn yet pizza and pop

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organizations once a year or a couple of

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hours of that I don't necessarily want

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can we do with our experience and the

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old voluntary to generate a viable group

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of a new founder is because of without

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that we will not prevail into the future

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I ask you to think about that as I leave

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office as Peter leaving his office is

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the old guard seated around this room

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that he's office that shouldn't be our

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dominant concern now it was what we have

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not done well we have not prepared a

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viable vigorous foundation I hope you

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will take that charge

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seriously if you want to play any honor

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to what the founders of this

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organization went through to get it to

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this low of viability it would be to

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work on that one and we would welcome

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the opportunity to suit around on a

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cracker barrel and tell the old stories

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about it insofar as it said anything at

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all to do with the future but we do need

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the future founders and take a future

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founders we have to get education we

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have to get viable educators we have to

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have a format that

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inculcates this spirit on into this

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future that is the honor that most of us

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would like as we move out so my Swan is

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waiting I don't know Carter and I'm

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about to climb on it and I will look

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back on occasion to see what this

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organization has done with its Charter

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and with its bylaws all of which are

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wonderful to preserve them into a new

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spirit the new category of members a new

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category of participants on into the

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future in the academic world it's all

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they have among other parts of the

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celebration some poor can't understand

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is up and give it a say Aladdin salutary

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address

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I've suffered through a 40 of them at

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Princeton and they all end there the

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same phrase you remember it validated

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tell you outcry all night baby

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farewell and honor so I wish to all of

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you

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marvelous men that we now can go for it

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was a new greeting a new honor and new

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founders that preserve the majesty and

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the importance of this organization

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I just like to endorse Bob's comments

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with an observation many years ago a

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friend of mine who followed politics

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more closely than I did observed that it

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was a sign that the Soviet Union was

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moribund that in the Politburo the young

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turks were in their fifties this was

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somewhat prescient since it was observed

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only a few years before that

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nation-state collapsed

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well I've been active in the society for

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over two decades now I've been serving

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on the council I am now 54 years old and

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I'm still one of the Young Turks on the

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council so I hope this is not a priests

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age of collapse and that we will get our

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act together in the manner Bob has

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hello I'm Ron westrom I was also here at

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the beginning of the society and I

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remember probably that the strongest

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motivation for creating the SSC was

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psych-out and I still remember truth see

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and I basically yelling at each other

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about what was going on how could we

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tolerate this we couldn't let this go on

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and so forth and it was a I forget

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exactly who wrote the first letter it

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00:42:46,270 --> 00:42:44,780
may well have been you Bob but that when

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we discovered that there was a new

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society being put together and that we

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might be members of it and so forth we

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were absolutely overjoyed and but I

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certainly recall the tremendous stress

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on truth see for instance he had been a

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member of sy cop himself and was shocked

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when he discovered that it was not in

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fact to be a dispassionate exploration

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00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:10,010
of the paranormal but in fact an

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00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:12,160
organization designed to suppress

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research on the paranormal so I I think

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00:43:22,540 --> 00:43:18,590
that was certainly on the minds of all

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of us I think I do remember some of the

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letters that Bob wrote which I thought

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were the most courageous wanting to go

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forward with something like the Society

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for the study of anomalies I forget what

553
00:43:36,490 --> 00:43:32,570
the exact phrasing was and so forth but

554
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:36,500
it was really absolutely salutary to

555
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:38,090
realize that yes now we were going to

556
00:43:41,830 --> 00:43:39,650
have a research group where research was

557
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:41,840
going to be the focus and not some sort

558
00:43:49,660 --> 00:43:44,720
of paranormal bashing and so forth I

559
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:53,030
Bob I wanted to pick up on your talk or

560
00:43:59,540 --> 00:43:56,010
mention of system science I'm basically

561
00:44:01,790 --> 00:43:59,550
a system engineer and I my real skill is

562
00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:01,800
seeing connections if people are

563
00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:03,900
familiar with system engineering and I

564
00:44:09,050 --> 00:44:06,180
practice at a pretty high level Defense

565
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,060
Department and large industrial

566
00:44:13,310 --> 00:44:11,280
organizations doing work for Vince and

567
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:13,320
there's two parts of it the one that's

568
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:15,570
taught in school is I call their system

569
00:44:17,870 --> 00:44:17,010
accounting how to make sure everything

570
00:44:20,690 --> 00:44:17,880
comes together

571
00:44:22,460 --> 00:44:20,700
follow requirements but the part about

572
00:44:24,350 --> 00:44:22,470
system connection really resonated with

573
00:44:27,230 --> 00:44:24,360
me when you said that because that was

574
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:27,240
turned out to be Mike Talent and I could

575
00:44:31,850 --> 00:44:28,530
talk to some people if you want to later

576
00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:31,860
about it we have these talents that we

577
00:44:35,660 --> 00:44:34,110
make into strengths by practicing and

578
00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:35,670
there is this my talent turned out the

579
00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:37,740
based system connections seeing them and

580
00:44:41,830 --> 00:44:40,020
how we use together for a big story and

581
00:44:44,060 --> 00:44:41,840
there's not very many places that

582
00:44:46,610 --> 00:44:44,070
recognize that because everybody's into

583
00:44:48,410 --> 00:44:46,620
their stove pipes and I really

584
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:48,420
appreciate you mentioning and I look

585
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:49,710
forward maybe talking to you something

586
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:52,530
about that well as you probably know I'm

587
00:44:58,340 --> 00:44:55,170
the new kid on the council and I'm 73

588
00:45:00,080 --> 00:44:58,350
years old and that makes you that makes

589
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:00,090
your point

590
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:03,450
I've been professor philosophy I'm also

591
00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:06,720
retired I've had T ace graduate students

592
00:45:13,100 --> 00:45:09,960
tank for me and because I teach the

593
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:13,110
stuff in my classes they're forced to

594
00:45:18,110 --> 00:45:16,530
read up on reincarnation controlled

595
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,120
studies with mediums near-death

596
00:45:22,580 --> 00:45:20,400
experience and so forth a number of them

597
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,590
have told me that they would love to get

598
00:45:27,290 --> 00:45:24,720
into this and study it and do

599
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:27,300
dissertation on it but it would be a

600
00:45:35,210 --> 00:45:31,290
career killer for them to associate with

601
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,220
me in the department I think that is a

602
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:37,440
powerful reason we're not getting young

603
00:45:45,650 --> 00:45:42,720
people because it's a career runner for

604
00:45:48,050 --> 00:45:45,660
them to be interested in in this stuff

605
00:45:51,110 --> 00:45:48,060
and I don't know what we can do about it

606
00:45:55,220 --> 00:45:51,120
I feel we're at a tipping point how much

607
00:45:56,570 --> 00:45:55,230
more data you know do we need before but

608
00:45:58,930 --> 00:45:56,580
but I felt we were at that tipping point